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		<title>The Big Apple Rig Shootout &#8211; Which DAC and Amp is the Champ?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Here at HiFiHeadphones we're asked regularly about what amp/DAC combo might make the best job of converting and amplifying your Apple binary music collections.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/big-apple-rig-shootout-dac-amp-champ/">The Big Apple Rig Shootout &#8211; Which DAC and Amp is the Champ?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk">HiFiheadphones</a>.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/headphone-amps-dacs.html"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3345" src="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/all_ed.jpg" alt="apple rig" width="685" height="299" srcset="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/all_ed.jpg 685w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/all_ed-300x130.jpg 300w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/all_ed-624x272.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 685px) 100vw, 685px" /></a></p>
<p>Here at HiFiHeadphones we&#8217;re asked regularly about what amp/DAC combo might make the best job of converting and amplifying your Apple binary music collections. Would it be best to get an all in one solution like the <a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/cypher-labs-theorem-720-portable-headphone-amp-dac-black.html">Cypherlabs Theorem</a> or <a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/fostex-hp-p1-portable-apple-compatible-headphone-amplifier-dac-silver.html">Fostex HP-P1</a>, or get a DAC such as the Cypher Labs Algorhythm Solo with a separate amp?</p>
<p>Further, how does the DAC in the Fostex compare with the DAC in the Theorem if both are connected to the same amp?</p>
<p>The proof of the audio pudding is in shoving the thing into your ears, so here&#8217;s our thoughts about how each solution compares!</p>
<p>Firstly, why even bother? The Apple iPod/iPhone has a headphone socket (just) so let&#8217;s plug straight in right? There&#8217;s nothing wrong with this, and most people find the internal DAC/Amp to be quite satisfactory when used along with their stock white earpods, or any low impedance headphone designed for portable use.</p>
<p>However there are those awkward types who require more power for their chosen headphones; more than the iThingy can put out. Others include those with high value in-ear headphones who will not compromise on audio quality when it comes to the digital to analogue conversion.</p>
<p>The wonderful full size <a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/beyerdynamic-t5p-portable-closed-back-hifi-headphones.html">Beyerdynamic T5p</a> and in-ear <a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/sennheiser-ie800-in-ear-isolating-earphones.html">Sennheiser IE800</a> were used to ascertain what might comprise the best sound and value for the average portable audiophile.</p>
<h3><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/fostex-hp-p1-portable-apple-compatible-headphone-amplifier-dac-silver.html">Fostex HP-P1</a></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/fostex-hp-p1-portable-apple-compatible-headphone-amplifier-dac-silver.html"><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3346" src="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_4_ed.jpg" alt="fostex hp-p1" width="685" height="336" srcset="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_4_ed.jpg 685w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_4_ed-300x147.jpg 300w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_4_ed-624x306.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 685px) 100vw, 685px" /></a></p>
<p>The original combined dac/amp for Apple; how does it fare with the new available equipment? When tried with both the Beyerdynamic T5p and Sennheiser IE800 the Fostex HP-P1 does a splendid job. Certainly better than the on-board Apple kit, but other makers have been doing their best in the intervening years of course. With this setup, the HP-P1 filter was slightly more natural sounding so assume the filter is in postion one throughout this test. Being the first up in a comparison, there&#8217;s not much to be written now but read on..</p>
<h3><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/cypher-labs-theorem-720-portable-headphone-amp-dac-black.html">Cypher Labs Theorem 720</a></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/cypher-labs-theorem-720-portable-headphone-amp-dac-black.html"><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3347" src="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem4_ed.jpg" alt="cypher labs theorem" width="685" height="359" srcset="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem4_ed.jpg 685w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem4_ed-300x157.jpg 300w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem4_ed-624x327.jpg 624w" sizes="(max-width: 685px) 100vw, 685px" /></a></p>
<p>With the Sennheiser IE800, the Theorem gave a much better impression of control and there seemed to be more space within the midrange region. In comparison, the HP-P1 just got a bit cluttered there and the result was a loss of detail and imaging.</p>
<p>The Theorem compared favourably using the Beyerdynamic T5p too &#8211; the soundstage was wider and deeper with better imaging leading to a more immersive 3D sound. The detail level appeared to be the same, but with the Theorem this was smoother and more lush sounding; the Fostex HP-P1 was a little brittle next to this.</p>
<h3>Cypher Labs Algorythm Solo with Just Audio AHA-120</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/headphone-amps-dacs.html"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3348" src="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/full1_ed.jpg" alt="just audio aha 120" width="685" height="339" srcset="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/full1_ed.jpg 685w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/full1_ed-300x148.jpg 300w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/full1_ed-624x308.jpg 624w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 685px) 100vw, 685px" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve compared this Class A amplifier with the Theorem before; I put it as the Theorem&#8217;s spandex versus Just Audio&#8217;s silk. Not to say the Theorem is a slouch, but when compared to a Class A amp it sounds slightly less good! And that&#8217;s the tradeoff &#8211; if you want no compromise in sound quality and wish to pick every component you will pay for it, and you will have to carry it around as well!</p>
<h3>DACs Compared Only</h3>
<p>For this test I decided to get a decent portable amp (<a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/fiio-e12-mont-blanc-portable-headphone-amplifier-black.html">Fiio E12</a>) and compare the Line-Out features of the HP-P1 and Theorem. Things were not all that different in comparitive terms.</p>
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<li>The HP-P1 had good detail but the presentation was flat with a limited soundstage; a bit on the dry side.</li>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<ul>
<li>The Theorem had a wider soundstage but was still a little dry sounding. Detail was similar to the HP-P1 but again with more control.</li>
</ul>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<ul>
<li>The Algorythm Solo was a slight let down used in combination with the E12; soundstage was decidedly average with a flat feel to proceedings. Detail was comparitively muddy sounding.</li>
</ul>
<p>And compared with the E12 amp (with no bass boost), the internal amp of the HP-P1 was slightly darker and more laid back, while the Theorem amp was much fuller and lusher sounding than the Theorem DAC + E12 combo.</p>
<h3>Conclusion</h3>
<p>The best solution in terms of sound only is the Algorythm Solo/AHA-120 pairing, but this scores lowest in terms of cost, bulk and convenience. Having to keep 3 separate battery operated devices charged is worth considering, and then there&#8217;s the interconnects which add cost and lengthen the audio chain. The sound is rich and effortless &#8211; a real treat which is earned by those having to carry all that gear!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/cypher-labs-theorem-720-portable-headphone-amp-dac-black.html"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3351" src="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem1_ed.jpg" alt="cypher labs theorem" width="685" height="295" srcset="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem1_ed.jpg 685w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem1_ed-300x129.jpg 300w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/theorem1_ed-624x268.jpg 624w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 685px) 100vw, 685px" /></a></p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/cypher-labs-theorem-720-portable-headphone-amp-dac-black.html">Cypher Labs Theorem 720</a> is the best all-rounder in my opinion &#8211; there&#8217;s an engaging, exciting energy about the sound from the Theorem which is close to the Solo/AHA-120 combo but it swaps the silky smoothness of the AHA-120 for a more in-your-face powerful sound. Also the amp in the Theorem gives a lushness which is really attractive.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/fostex-hp-p1-portable-apple-compatible-headphone-amplifier-dac-silver.html"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3352" src="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_1_ed.jpg" alt="fostex hp-p1" width="685" height="311" srcset="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_1_ed.jpg 685w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_1_ed-300x136.jpg 300w, https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hpp1_1_ed-624x283.jpg 624w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 685px) 100vw, 685px" /></a></p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/fostex-hp-p1-portable-apple-compatible-headphone-amplifier-dac-silver.html">Fostex HP-P1</a> is the least impressive of the three; given that it was the first to be introduced this is no surprise. It is still a very competent and fine-sounding unit but has been surpassed since its introduction.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/big-apple-rig-shootout-dac-amp-champ/">The Big Apple Rig Shootout &#8211; Which DAC and Amp is the Champ?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk">HiFiheadphones</a>.</p>
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